Amplitude

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----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Donald Nunraw ....
To: William J ...
Sent: Mon, 28 June, 2010 12:56:50

Hi, William,

It is a great backup, as you suggested my “SEEKING”, of the missing Versus Lk. 9:55,56.

You have got to such ample resources.

Many thanks,

The openings on the Net are inexhaustible.

Your reference to the Amplified Bible is also amazing.

My first test run proves the ‘amplitude’ of the AMP in just this case.

And now having ‘gone into temptation’, at your prompting, I have downloaded the ON-LINE Amplified Bible.

Thus:

Amplified Bible installed on e-Sword Net

Luk 9:53 But [the people] would not welcome or receive or accept Him, because His face was [set as if He was] going to Jerusalem .

Luk 9:54 And when His disciples James and John observed this, they said, Lord, do You wish us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them, even as Elijah did ? [II Kings 1:9-16.]

Luk 9:55 But He turned and rebuked and severely censured them. He said, You do not know of what sort of spirit you are,

Luk 9:56 For the Son of Man did not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them [from the penalty of eternal death]. And they journeyed on to another village

All the challenges in hand.

First awaiting is the story of the Stephen Harding Bible.

I hope you are flourishing in the peak of summer heat.

God less.

Yours ..

Donald

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: William J

To: Donald Nunraw

Sent: Sun, 27 June, 2010 14:15:38
Subject: Re: LUKE 9: 55,56 R Knox and the missing verses!

Dear Father Donald,

Thank you for this gem that you placed in my hand which has quite thrilled me, missing sections of verses in the traditional translations which are brought into the sunlight in R Knox's translation! At best these can only be seen in shaded footnotes elsewhere, or in tantalizing sunrays on some web resources:

R Knox: Luke 9 [55]: But he turned and rebuked them, "You do not understand", he said, "what spirit it is you share. [56] The Son of Man has come to save men's lives, not to destroy them." And so they passed on to another village.

I have found this which tempts further investigation: http://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/jamieson-fausset-brown/luke/luke-9.html

55, 56. know not what . . . spirit--The thing ye demand, though in keeping with the legal, is unsuited to the genius of the evangelical dispensation. The sparks of unholy indignation would seize readily enough on this example of Elias, though our Lord's rebuke (as is plain from Luke 9:56) is directed to the principle involved rather than the animal heat which doubtless prompted the reference. "It is a golden sentence of Tillotson, Let us never do anything for religion which is contrary to religion" [Webster and Wilkinson].

And from an absolute treasure-house link you gave us! : http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea-Luke9.php

AMBROSE; But the Lord is not moved against them, that He might show that perfect virtue has no feeling of revenge, nor is there any anger where there is fullness of love. For weakness must not be thrust out; but assisted. Let indignation be far from the religious, let the high-souled have no desire of vengeance. Hence it follows, But he turned and rebuked them, and said, you know not what manner of spirit you are of.

THEOPHYL; The Lord blames them, not for following the example of the holy Prophet, but for their ignorance in taking vengeance while they were yet inexperienced, perceiving that they did not desire correction from love, but vengeance from hatred. After that He had taught them what it was to love their neighbor as themselves, and the Holy Ghost also had been infused into them, there were not lacking these punishments, though far less frequent than in the Old Testament, because the Son of man came not to destroy men's lives, but to save them. As if He said, And do you therefore who are sealed with His Spirit, imitate also His actions, now determining charitably, hereafter judging justly.

Lastly, the Amplified Bible (,,, ,,,l): http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+9&version=AMP#fen-AMP-25355t

⁵⁵But He turned and rebuked and severely censured them. ^[t]He said, You do not know of what sort of spirit you are, ⁵⁶For the Son of Man did not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them ^[u][from the penalty of eternal death]. [References: ^[t]Some manuscripts add this to verse 55 and continue into verse 56. ^[u] Hermann Cremer, Biblico-Theological Lexicon.

I find that the inclusion of these words missing from these verses changes the rebuke from outward censure to interior correction. And for us, a valuable lesson included in the text from which we may learn.

That has been a fascinating discovery, thank you for alerting me to it!

… in Our Lord,

William