Friday, 6 May 2011

2. Jesus eating salt with his disciples. Acts 1:4

Of Acts 1:4, the Ronald Knox translation is in harmony with the Douai Rheims Bible and Haydock commentary.
More up to date, the Amplified Bible corresponds clearly in this understanding of Luke 1:4
The Dictionary is very restricted in this item G4871
συναλίζω
sunalizō
Total KJV Occurrences: 1
assembled, 1
Act_1:4
That is ONLY ONE OCCURRENCE.
This is the King James Version of the Holy Bible (1850 revision) with embedded Strong's Numbers.  This makes useful for looking up the exact original language word in a lexicon that is keyed off of Strong's numbers.

  Acts of the Apostles 1 : Douay Rheims Bible parallel 
Haydock Commentary


4 And eating together with them, he commanded them, that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but should wait for the promise of the Father, which you have heard (saith he) by my mouth.
And eating with them. [1] This is a literal translation from the vulgar Latin. But the Prot. translation from some Greek copies, would have it, And being assembled together, he commanded them, &c. Mr. Bois defends the Latin Vulg. and even by the authority of S. Chrys. who doubtless understood the Greek text, as well as any one, and who takes the Greek word here to signify eating: for he observes that the apostles elsewhere prove Christ's resurrection by his eating and drinking with them. Acts x. 4. S. Jer. also says, the derivation of the Greek word, is from eating salt together. Wi.
Footnotes: Acts of the Apostles 1
·        [1] V. 4. συναλιζομενος , A salis & mensæ communione. Some copies συναυλιζομενος .

Jesus eating salt with his disciples. Acts 1:4

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Dear Father Donald,
 
Thank you for sharing the biblio.blog with me - goodness, the resources you discover! Sacra Pagina [Acts 1:4 page 25] sees it as clear-cut (but rather understates it, given what Benedict XVI teaches and your research reveals): "The precise translation on synalizomai is difficult, though the general sense is clear enough. This translation, "as he ate with them", takes 'sharing salt (alas) together' in its extended sense of 'sharing a meal', which the cross-references to Luke 24:36-48 and Acts 10:41 seem to support." Acts 10:41, gives the Sacra Pagina commentator the opportunity to say [page 193]: "we ate with him and we drank with him - this statement makes explicit the connection between meals and the presence of the risen Lord that was implicit in the narratives." As it is the same person, L.T.Johnson, who wrote the commentaries of both Luke and Acts, I was 'stumped' - until you sent the biblio.blog posting! I was taking reassurance from Ronald Knox: "as he shared a meal with them".
 
And just to mention your most recent posting, I am delighting in Ronald Knox's translation of John 3:34 "so boundless is the gift God makes of his Spirit."  
And thank you! - -  -
 
Thank you Father.
 
With my love in Our Risen Lord,
William
 


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Subject: Jesus eating salt with disciples Acts 1:4

Dear, William,
Thank you for the meticulousness  of your resume.
It helps me retracing the Benedict walks that you describe as, "I step gingerly across this vast high plateau."

As I plod the map, the newly invented Satellite view, gives me breathless sites.
This one sets me chasing this biblio.blog.

Acts 1_4 Jesus eating salt with his disciples

God bless.
Donald


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Acts 1:4 Jesus eating salt with his disciples  


[Edited] Were Jesus and his apostles eating together, gathered together, or just plain staying together? The original Greek says sunalizô, in the formsunalizomenos (sunalizô, eat together, or gather together). The BDAB lexicon provides three possible options as to the meaning of sunalizô:
1) eat (salt) together, share a meal with; or
2) to bring together, assemble, come together, or
3) “spend the night with,” “stay with.”
The BDAG says the problem with the first possible meaning is that it doesn’t really fit the context; furthermore, it is not used anywhere else. The problem of the second meaning is with the singular number and the present tense. The third possible meaning is based on a spelling variation of συναλιζομενος (sunalizomenos) present in some miniscules. Below, the TNIV, NLT and Douay-Rheims translations render sunalizô as eating together. The NASB rendering ofsunalizô is the second option of “gathered together”; and the NRSV, ESV and HCSB render sunalizô as the third option–”staying with them.” Most commonly, translations lean toward the NRSV or ESV rendering of “stay together” because these are most commonly used elsewhere in the New Testament.
The TNIV and NLT may have correctly rendered the this meaning of sunalizô as “eating with them.” Arie W. Zwiep argues for the first option of the TNIV and NLT: “A more plausible meaning of the verb is ‘eating salt together with’…hence: ‘eating together.’ Concerning the second option, Zwiep says: “The present tense may be taken to denote an uninterrupted period of Jesus’ presence among his disciples. The problem with this interpretation is that it is difficult to imagine how this meaning would apply to only one person (Jesus being the subject of the sentence).”
I don’t know if there’s any theological implications about this but “eating salt” may have a much deeper meaning than what’s being suggested on the surface. The word sun-al-izô might actually be a composition of two words “together” (sun) and “salt” (als). Jesus uses salt as an example in speaking with his disciples:
Salt is good, but if the salt has lost its saltiness, how will you make it salty again? Have salt in yourselves, and be at peace with one another. (Mark 9:50, ESV).
It may be that the word sunalizô may have the connotation of a union of being at peace with one another, or “being salted together.” Jesus also told his disciples to stay together and wait for the Promise of the Father, which is the Holy Spirit. And after they received Holy Spirit, they were in the “unity of the Spirit” (Eph. 4:3). Therefore, being salted together is to be in unity and at peace with one another.__________________________
On one occasion, while he was eating with them, he gave them this command: “Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about. TNIV
Once when he was eating with them, he commanded them, “Do not leave Jerusalem until the Father sends you the gift he promised, as I told you before. (NLT)
And eating together with them, he commanded them, that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but should wait for the promise of the Father, which you have heard (saith he) by my mouth. (Douay-Rheims)
While at table with them, he had told them not to leave Jerusalem, but to wait there for what the Father had promised… (NJB)
While He was together with them, He commanded them not to leave Jerusalem, but to wait for the Father’s promise. “This,” [He said, "is what] you heard from Me; (HCSB)
While staying with them, he ordered them not to leave Jerusalem, but to wait there for the promise of the Father. ‘This’, he said, ‘is what you have heard from me; (NRSV)
Gathering them together, He commanded them not to leave Jerusalem, but to wait for what the Father had promised, “Which,” He said, “you heard of from Me; (NASB)
And while staying with them he ordered them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise of the Father, which, he said, “you heard from me; (ESV)

Arie W. Zwiep, The Ascension of the Messiah in Lukan Christology (Brill, 1997)
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Thursday, 5 May 2011

God gives him the Spirit without reserve Jn 3:4 NOT 'ration the Spirit'

Introduction of the Mass. Thurs 2nd Easter May 05 

Some kind of dissonance occurred when I first saw one of the eight Catholic Translations. The verse, "God does not ration his gift of the Spirit" Jn 3:4. Made me describe the NAB language as bald and prosaic. 
The NJB is more elegant, “God gives him the Spirit without reserve." 
Happily the DGO Commentary was from Blessed John Paul II

Holy Gospel of Jesus Christ according to Saint John 3:31-36. 
The one who comes from above is above all. The one who is of the earth is earthly and speaks of earthly things. But the one who comes from heaven is above all.
He testifies to what he has seen and heard, but no one accepts his testimony.
Whoever does accept his testimony certifies that God is trustworthy.
For the one whom God sent speaks the words of God. He does not ration his gift of the Spirit Jn 3 34
The Father loves the Son and has given everything over to him.
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever disobeys the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains upon him. NAB.

Blessed John-Paul II, Pope from 1978 to 2005
Encyclical Letter « Dominum et vivificantem », §10 (© Libreria Editrice Vaticana) 

"God does not ration his gift of the Spirit"

In his intimate life, God "is love," (1Jn 4,8) the essential love shared by the three divine Persons: personal love is the Holy Spirit as the Spirit of the Father and the Son.
Therefore he "searches even the depths of God,"(1Cor 2,10) as uncreated Love-Gift.
It can be said that in the Holy Spirit the intimate life of the Triune God becomes totally gift, an exchange of mutual love between the divine Persons and that through the Holy Spirit God exists in the mode of gift.
It is the Holy Spirit who is the personal expression of this self-giving, of this being-love.
He is Person- Love. He is Person-Gift.
 Here we have an inexhaustible treasure of the reality and an inexpressible deepening of the concept of person in God, which only divine Revelation makes known to us.

At the same time, the Holy Spirit, being consubstantial with the Father and the Son in divinity, is love and (uncreated) gift from which derives as from its source...  all giving of gifts vis-a-vis creatures (created gift): the gift of existence to all things through creation; the gift of grace to human beings through the whole economy of salvation. As the Apostle Paul writes: "God's love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit which has been given to us" (Rm 5,5). 

Wednesday, 4 May 2011

Jesus of Nazareth 'Dialectic Recognition and non-Recognition' Benedict XVI

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Dialectic of Recognition and non-Recognition. Benedict xvi

Dear, William,
Thank you - we have interesting Easter events. How can I keep a Log up to date?

My Lenten Book, Jesus of Nazareth Part II, did not receive the proper monastic regularity.
Some gems surface with the aid of Index and clue on Doubting Thomas.
Some phrase of Ben xvi fastens in my brain and I puzzle away.
Maybe, I can pass it on to you and see if you can tease it out more clearly to me.
See the COPY below . . . . ..
Emboldened challenging words, dialectic, narratives, Theophanies.

I trust all goes well in Easter Tide.

Donald
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Sent: Tue, 3 May, 2011 21:54:49
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Dear Father Donald,
 
This is a very challenging piece of writing, on a challenging subject, and I confess that it bewildered me when I read it for the first time today - I too had too much by way of duty in the course of Lent to complete the reading of the book, ....
These are my light foot prints as I step gingerly across this vast high plateau:
 
1) Terminology - clearest meaning of the key word [dialectic] using synonyms - intuition; sweet reason; reasonableness, rationality; dialectics, logic; logical process, logical sequence, inference, generalization;distinction...

2) Benedict XVI concentrates on the distinction between Jesus as seen in His appearances (physical) and asrecognized in them (spiritual), stressing the mystery ofidentity (physical) and otherness (spiritual), determining that the distinction resides uniquely in the nature of the Risen One, the way in which He is now revealed in His two natures at one and the same time. 

3) Whilst using the word "apparitions", Benedict XVIdistinguishes between the OT "theophanies", where the angelic persons remained, in essence, spirits, and Our Lord's appearances, for Jesus is "truly man", living "anew in the dimension of the living God".

4) Benedict XVI stresses that the encounters with the risen Lord are not just "interior events" or "mystical experiences", but "real encounters with the living one who is embodied in a new way and remains embodied". Benedict XVI adds that "mystical experience is a temporary removal of the soul's spatial and cognitive limitations, not an encounter with a person coming toward me from without". In Jesus' appearances "a new dimension of life emerges, a new dimension of human existence".

Other important teaching in this chapter adds to the above:"matter itself is remolded into a new type of reality"... "spirit and blood have a place within God"... "only now the place exists in which man's immortal soul can find its 'space' and 'bodiliness' in which immortality takes on its meaning as communion with God and reconciled mankind"..."an ontological leap occurred, one that touches being as such, opening up a dimension that affects us all, creating for all of us a new space of life, a new space of being in union with God".

5) Benedict XVI writes of the "third element" of the manifestations of the risen Lord - "appearing, speaking,sharing meals" (whilst considering that Luke's Gospel passage, or narrative of Jesus' requesting and eating the fish is over dramatized), proposing that the word used by Luke to describe the meal is "of great significance", for in translation the word means "eating salt with them", making reference to the historical meaning of salt, by which a lasting covenant was established. Not merely an enactment representing, or recalling, the Feeding of the crowds or the Last Supper, Benedict XVI teaches that this is "a sign of new and everlasting life" and "points to the risen Lord's new banquet.. a covenant-event... expressing an inner bond between [the Last Supper] and the risen Lord's new table fellowship [the eternal banquet]". As salt was used at every sacrifice, Benedict XVI teaches that different meanings come togther here: "covenant renewal, the gift of life, and purification of one's own being for self-offering to God".

Thank you for drawing me into this complex chapter, for I have now come to a degree of understanding of the teaching of the mystery.

I am quite in awe of the mind of Benedict XVI, the depth of his understanding of the mysteries of faith and the intensity he brings into his interpretations !

.... in Our Lord,
William
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Dear, William,
Many thanks.
The wheels are turning from your impetus
and we are both "
in awe of the mind of Benedict XVI, the depth of his understanding of the mysteries of faith and the intensity he brings into his interpretations !"
For the moment, these Emails are Posted while the 'dialectic' reveals and 'the third element' begs for the creative grasp of Benedict XVI.
Thank for the synonyms of 'dialectic' of the pillars. Maybe this suggests the bridge of the 'third element'. 
The computer facility of the digital reading and re-reading, under-lining, high-lighting, helps the way to Benedict's high paths.

God does not ration his gift of the Spirit. Jn 3:36

Donald

Tuesday, 3 May 2011

COMMENT Bl John Paul II

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I loved the words of your blog, but the pictures were perfect.
Well done.


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On 2 May 2011, at 17:12, Fr Donald <domdonald@sacmus.org> wrote:

Sunday, 01 May 2011