Sacra Pagina Series Vol. 4.
William précised Interpretations of John 6:71.
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William précised Interpretations of John 6:71.
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John 6:1-71 Jesus of Passover F.Moloney, p.194. The Johannine community, now excluded from the Jewish ritual celebrations yet equally the product of a postwar Jewish world, developed a story that told of Jesus' presence at the Sea of Galilee at Passover time in the following fashion: |
(a) Vv. 1-4: An introduction: where? when? who? why? (b) Vv. 5-15: The miracle of the loaves and fishes. (c) Vv. 16-21: Jesus comes to the disciples across the stormy sea. (d) Vv. 22-24: A second introduction: where? when? who? why? (e) Vv. 25-59: The discourse on the bread from heaven. (f) Vv. 60-71: The crisis created by the word of Jesus: i. Vv. 60-66: Many disciples leave Jesus. ii. Vv. 67-71: Peter's confession leads Jesus to warn of Judas' betrayal. |
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To: William ...
Sent: Sat, 14 May, 2011 16:33:42
Subject: Re: John 6 - Sacra Pagina / 2+
Dear William,
Thank you.
Downloaded, printed and I am off to browse quietly.
During the Saturday Sacristan stint preparing for Sunday, some other questions surfaced.
One was the word, klasmata, another was mata tauta. Words quoted in the passages of your Interpretations. Then it was not easy to put my finger on the verses. I put the Greek in the Google Search. Amazingly it gave the answers and hundreds of links.
Mata tauta Jn 6:1 = after this.
Klasmata Jn 6:12 = fragments, broken pieces, As in "break of bread" knitting the Eucharist context.
Excuse my meandering -
and checked the same in Kittel, Brown and Langrange sworn for by F. Moloney. His one Volume usefully chrysalises the might sources.
Blessing on your great lectio.
Donald
Sancta Maria Abbey: http://www.nunraw.com.uk Blogspot :http://www.domdonald.org.uk/
To: Donald ...
Sent: Sat, 14 May, 2011 13:34:52
Subject: John 6 - Sacra Pagina / 2
Dear Father Donald,
THAT has been perhaps the most fascinating 'study' you have ever encouraged me to undertake!
I have focused on the Sacra Pagina "Interpretations" and have built for myself a summary of the key points within the detail given, endeavouring to miss none of the subtle undertones (eg. the significance of the collected remainder of the loaves). Fascinating! There is EVEN more to go at in the Notes, but I decided that I would grind to a halt if I tried to bring those inflections into my summary. Those fine fruits remain to ferment to maturity within the winepress of lectio reflection!
The progression of the revelation in this chapter simply takes one's breath away.
Thank you for all your wonderful encouragement!
... in Our Risen Lord,
William
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From: WILLIAM ...
To: Donald ...
Sent: Friday, 13 May, 2011 20:31:01
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Dear Father Donald,
Thank you for opening up the earlier sections of the Sacra Pagina commentary on John 6 for me! I have moved my bookmark back (Play Back Fast!) to page 193 and how much more subtle and structured now appears the discourse that follows! Whilst I readily mark the margins of 'study books' (eg O'Collins Christology), I keep this fabulous set of commentaries in pristine condition, and so rely for mental unravelling on pencil and paper; but on this occasion, needing to be moving forward and back, I have typed up key quotes and own 'moments of delight' to build a pyramid of understanding. Several hours have passed and I have only just reached my earlier starting point, but now I have a more sure foundation! I attach my notes thus far. These will fill my quietness of evening / dawn observing all the colours and contours of the stones, exciting me to continue on the morrow as I see the structure beginning to take shape. Then I can polish the stones and have a bookmark that I will frame, within the pages!
Thank you Father. What a joy it is to put each building block of understanding in place!
... in Our Risen Lord,
William
From: Donald ...
To: William ...
Sent: Friday, 13 May, 2011 16:28:48
Subject: Fw: John 6 - Sacra Pagina
Dear William,
Thank you for sailing the high seas of John 6.
Previously an Email was the carrot to my donkey to Pope's 'Jesus of Nazareth'.
Previously an Email was the carrot to my donkey to Pope's 'Jesus of Nazareth'.
The carrot this time is the goad from your Sacra Pagina move forward. p. 193
There are three passages in Sacra Pagina, each gathering pace in revelation. I began sedately with the first of the "Interpretations" that applied to today's Gospel passage, but the pace outpaced my resolve! [Page 214-215, verses 34-40] sets the scene, [page 217-219, verses 41-51] develops the theme, [page 221-224, verses 52-59] brings the revelation to a fulfilling climax. And the joy is that, over the next two days, I can re-read these 'interpretations' again, and again (at my own pace, knowing where they are heading!).
One day - either in learned book form (or indeed via an 'Android app'!), I should like to venture into the recommended texts which are listed "for reference and further study", but for now, I will relish all that Sacra Pagina presents.
So I need to Play Back Fast to the whole Introduction to 6:1-71.
Getting the framework gives me the perspectives.
Francis Maloney SDB, Aus., writes, "The rich interplay of theological themes ans the complexity of the ongoing discussion with the Jewish Passover traditions have made this section of the Fourth Gospel one of the most discussed texts in the New Testament. The interpreter faces a number of critical problems."
The "Interpretations" you locate are daunting. The NOTES are equally absorbing. The Notes on 34-40 show that Maloney very concentrated on this 6th Chapter of John. I put the details beside the Biblos.com Website with more lairs of interest. Maloney's own translation Verse 36 mentions alternative manuscripts, Sinaiticus, Old Latin, Sinaiticus Syriac, Curentonian Syriac. Just a flag to say there is more to check!
Moloney 8 Reviews in Amazon Com. (Prolific scripture writer)
Back to discoveries.
God bless.
Donald
e) The Discourse on the Bread from heaven (6:25-59) p.207. Introduction to 6:25-59. The rich interplay of theological themes and the complexity of the ongoing discussion with Jewish Passover traditions have made this section of the Fourth Gospel one of the most discussed texts in the New Testament. … Five interventions from the crowd or "the Jews" give vv. 25-59 their shape. |
(a) Vv. 25-29: "Rabbi, when did you come here?" (v. 25). This trivial question leads Jesus to instruct the crowd on the need to search for the food that endures to eternal life: belief in the one whom God has sent. (b) Vv. 30-33: "Then what signs do you do?" (v. 30). Jesus is asked for miracle-working credentials that surpass Moses' gift of the manna (vv. 30-31). He points to another bread from heaven, the true bread from heaven. (c) Vv. 34-40: "Lord, give us this bread always" (v. 34). Jesus presents himself as the true bread from heaven, the only one able to make God known and give eternal life. (d) Vv. 41-51: "Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How does he say, 'I have come down from heaven'?" (v. 42). Jesus discusses the question of origins. (e) Vv. 52-59: "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?" (v. 52). A final question leads Jesus to instruct "the Jews" on the need to eat the flesh and drink the blood of the Son of Man. The discourse unfolds around these questions and answers, each section developing a new thought around the single theme of the bread from heaven. The interpretation will comment on each section in turn. The section For Reference and Further Study follows the interpretation of vv. 51-59. |
Jesus and the Passover (John 6:1-71)
Summary of key points detailed within the “Interpretation” sections of the Sacra Pagina commentary by Francis J. Moloney
Introduction
The Johannine community (writing as ‘John’ himself, continuing his form and style) developed a story that told of Jesus’ presence at the Sea of Galilee at Passover time by relating connecting material, the miracle of the loaves and fishes, Jesus coming to the disciples across the stormy sea, followed by Jesus discourse on the bread from heaven, followed by the crisis he created by his teaching with many disciples leaving him, leading to Peter’s confession.
An Introduction (6:1-4) – The mountain scene chosen by Jesus brings out the parallel to Moses, and the mention of the Passover time sets the theological agenda.
The Miracle of the Loaves and Fishes (6:5-15) – Again with the Moses parallel, where he asked God how he could feed the people (Num 11:13), Jesus tests his disciples by asking them this same question. However, Jesus’ question misses the point with the disciples for material food alone holds their attention, not the spiritual food that Jesus had earlier been describing as his acceptance of the will of the one who sent him (4:32-34). Taking the loaves, giving thanks, and distributing them recalls the formal setting of a Eucharistic celebration, blending the Passover and Eucharist, significantly at Passover time which celebrated the gift of manna. The collecting of the remaining blessed and broken loaves contrasts with the manna which perished. This miracle led to a limited faith, the crowds seeing Jesus as a Moses-like prophet. Jesus is not prepared to accept such acclamation.
The Miracle on the Sea (6:16-21) – It is as Lord that Jesus comes across the water, revealing himself to the disciples with the formula “I AM”, telling them not to fear. The setting is of OT literary form for a theophany (a dark night, a storm, fear). Whereas the multiplication of the loaves did not advance the crowd’s understanding of Jesus, his self-revelation to the disciples leads them to “receive” him. How their faith will develop from here remains an open question.
A Second Introduction (6:22-24) – The story moves on to the next day, drawing closer to the time of the Passover, as the crowds track Jesus down on the other side of the lake, at Capernaum. They were anxious to see this prophet again.
The Discourse on the Bread from Heaven (6:25-59) – It is the rhythm of questions, or interventions, from the crowd or ‘the Jews’ and Jesus’ answers that determines the shape of the discourse which centres on the rich interplay of theological themes and Jewish Passover traditions. Sections that are overtly Eucharistic (vv 51-58) may represent formulae in use by the Johannine community, woven into the discourse to clarify Jesus’ meaning according to their developing understanding of Jesus’ words.